Comments on: Why Soil PH Matters http://manuredepot.com/why-soil-ph-matters/ Embracing Our Interdependence With Nature Wed, 16 May 2012 00:55:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: admin http://manuredepot.com/why-soil-ph-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-483 admin Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:16:21 +0000 http://manuredepot.com/wordpress/?p=219#comment-483 Thanks for the details Christine. You really have done your homework. I will let you know what I find out. Thanks for the details Christine. You really have done your homework. I will let you know what I find out.

]]> By: Christine Crawford http://manuredepot.com/why-soil-ph-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-482 Christine Crawford Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:00:31 +0000 http://manuredepot.com/wordpress/?p=219#comment-482 Hey, Thanks for offering to look into my fungal issues (with the blueberries, I mean : ). It is a specific ripe rot fungus that once you have it you are only controlling it-as it is with funguses (is that a word?) from what I understand. Before you spend too much time I thought it might be helpful for you to know some things about it... Anthracnose (of which there are many) is my issue-Collectricum (sp) is the genus but I cannot remember off the top of my head what the species is. I have not had a lab confirm this but from my research and talking with bb extension agent this is safe to assume from visual observation of the fruit. It shrivels up into a flat spot with orange spores. University of Georgia has done research on organic control of this specific fungus and did not find any of the products they trialed to be effective. The internet has been incredible for little ol' me to have access to papers and such which has been good to keep the trial and error to what I cannot find out from others experiments. Trial and error can be a costly endeavor when I am working with 1000 plants plus with my labor. And what works for a few plants doesn't always translate to larger scale. I know that the way in which the plants are grown ie monocrop does not help with disease issues that come up but that is the way my father learned to grow many, many years ago at the University of Florida and he has stuck with it. It certainly keeps it simple and there are aspects about growing them in pots, on ground cloth, with micro-irrigation that very much appeal to me such as the much lower maintenance aspect- especially since I live 45 minutes away from where they are grown. It is hard for me to imagine having other crops intermingled with the berries without living down there to see to them. So I deal with issues from one crop. Anyhoo, just some more thoughts. C Hey,
Thanks for offering to look into my fungal issues (with the blueberries, I mean : ). It is a specific ripe rot fungus that once you have it you are only controlling it-as it is with funguses (is that a word?) from what I understand. Before you spend too much time I thought it might be helpful for you to know some things about it…
Anthracnose (of which there are many) is my issue-Collectricum (sp) is the genus but I cannot remember off the top of my head what the species is. I have not had a lab confirm this but from my research and talking with bb extension agent this is safe to assume from visual observation of the fruit. It shrivels up into a flat spot with orange spores.
University of Georgia has done research on organic control of this specific fungus and did not find any of the products they trialed to be effective. The internet has been incredible for little ol’ me to have access to papers and such which has been good to keep the trial and error to what I cannot find out from others experiments. Trial and error can be a costly endeavor when I am working with 1000 plants plus with my labor. And what works for a few plants doesn’t always translate to larger scale.
I know that the way in which the plants are grown ie monocrop does not help with disease issues that come up but that is the way my father learned to grow many, many years ago at the University of Florida and he has stuck with it. It certainly keeps it simple and there are aspects about growing them in pots, on ground cloth, with micro-irrigation that very much appeal to me such as the much lower maintenance aspect- especially since I live 45 minutes away from where they are grown. It is hard for me to imagine having other crops intermingled with the berries without living down there to see to them. So I deal with issues from one crop.
Anyhoo, just some more thoughts.
C

]]> By: admin http://manuredepot.com/why-soil-ph-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-480 admin Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:12:05 +0000 http://manuredepot.com/wordpress/?p=219#comment-480 Christine I have reread your comment. My first response seems thin compared to the depth of your commentary. I have decided to write a blog that will link back to our conversation here in comments. Thanks for staying tuned in. :D Christine I have reread your comment. My first response seems thin compared to the depth of your commentary. I have decided to write a blog that will link back to our conversation here in comments. Thanks for staying tuned in. :D

]]> By: admin http://manuredepot.com/why-soil-ph-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-477 admin Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:34:45 +0000 http://manuredepot.com/wordpress/?p=219#comment-477 Thanks for your comment Christine. You and Kari are the biggest Florida Blueberry growers I know, so I don't know if I can find out anything that will help you but I am going to make some inquiries down here into your fungus control issue. I believe deeply that a growing medium, (soil) packed with living organisms is the best way to keep plants healthy and resistant to attacks. Are you growing in the ground or in containers? I don't think it matters when a soil test is done relative to seasons. As I said in an earlier article I thought that in spite of some of the synthetic usage info I had to listen to the Master Gardeners program was a grand slam for me. I learned a great deal and made some excellent connections. Many of whom are like minded in regards to synthetic manipulations, and even some who work for the extension who feel like I do that the very minimum of manipulations in the garden is best. I plan to stay active in the Master Gardeners activities even beyond my voluntary obligations. Thanks for your comment Christine. You and Kari are the biggest Florida Blueberry growers I know, so I don’t know if I can find out anything that will help you but I am going to make some inquiries down here into your fungus control issue. I believe deeply that a growing medium, (soil) packed with living organisms is the best way to keep plants healthy and resistant to attacks. Are you growing in the ground or in containers? I don’t think it matters when a soil test is done relative to seasons.
As I said in an earlier article I thought that in spite of some of the synthetic usage info I had to listen to the Master Gardeners program was a grand slam for me. I learned a great deal and made some excellent connections. Many of whom are like minded in regards to synthetic manipulations, and even some who work for the extension who feel like I do that the very minimum of manipulations in the garden is best. I plan to stay active in the Master Gardeners activities even beyond my voluntary obligations.

]]> By: Christine Crawford http://manuredepot.com/why-soil-ph-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-476 Christine Crawford Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:20:54 +0000 http://manuredepot.com/wordpress/?p=219#comment-476 Hi there, Excellent brief on pH. I always just focus on the number with blueberries trying to keep it in the 4-5 range to keep them happy, not really thinking of the other actions or inactions taking place... The test results are always interesting and sometimes show some wacky results that I have no explantion for and just ignore as the plants seem fine and are producing well. This may not be the best course of action but without a degree in soil chemistry and it quite possibly be an error in my sampling or in the testing...Sometimes just looking at the plant itself can tell you what a deficiency (or toxicity) might be. I also have to keep in mind the water used to irrigate can affect the pH. I use well water that is high in carbonates such as shell that will raise the pH. Very interesting stuff without getting too terribly technical. I do leaf sampling some too. Which is best done a certain time of year. I imagine soil or media testing can be done anytime? How heavy on the non-organics did the Master Gardener course end up being? I have had a heck of a time trying to get good solid scientific info on growing blueberries without synthetics (as much as possible). I have had good luck so far with trial and error except for a fungus that organic controls are ineffective on. But I wonder what these large scale organic growers do for this fungus? Like I said I haven't found a blueberry person in IFAS that was much help in the organic area. I think funding has a lot to do with IFAS overall being heavy on the chemicals... Hope to see you soon at one of the LFSC if we can find a day, time, and host to suit the most : ) Christine Hi there,

Excellent brief on pH. I always just focus on the number with blueberries trying to keep it in the 4-5 range to keep them happy, not really thinking of the other actions or inactions taking place…
The test results are always interesting and sometimes show some wacky results that I have no explantion for and just ignore as the plants seem fine and are producing well. This may not be the best course of action but without a degree in soil chemistry and it quite possibly be an error in my sampling or in the testing…Sometimes just looking at the plant itself can tell you what a deficiency (or toxicity) might be.
I also have to keep in mind the water used to irrigate can affect the pH. I use well water that is high in carbonates such as shell that will raise the pH.
Very interesting stuff without getting too terribly technical.
I do leaf sampling some too. Which is best done a certain time of year.
I imagine soil or media testing can be done anytime?

How heavy on the non-organics did the Master Gardener course end up being?
I have had a heck of a time trying to get good solid scientific info on growing blueberries without synthetics (as much as possible). I have had good luck so far with trial and error except for a fungus that organic controls are ineffective on. But I wonder what these large scale organic growers do for this fungus? Like I said I haven’t found a blueberry person in IFAS that was much help in the organic area.
I think funding has a lot to do with IFAS overall being heavy on the chemicals…

Hope to see you soon at one of the LFSC if we can find a day, time, and host to suit the most : )

Christine

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